[PATCH v6 1/9] eal: generic 64 bit counter
Stephen Hemminger
stephen at networkplumber.org
Sun May 19 17:13:55 CEST 2024
On Sat, 18 May 2024 16:00:55 +0200
Morten Brørup <mb at smartsharesystems.com> wrote:
> > From: Stephen Hemminger [mailto:stephen at networkplumber.org]
> > Sent: Friday, 17 May 2024 18.18
> >
> > On Fri, 17 May 2024 08:44:42 +0200
> > Morten Brørup <mb at smartsharesystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > From: Honnappa Nagarahalli [mailto:Honnappa.Nagarahalli at arm.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, 17 May 2024 06.27
> > > >
> > > > + Bruce for feedback on x86 architecture
> > > >
> > > > > On May 16, 2024, at 10:30 PM, Stephen Hemminger
> > <stephen at networkplumber.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 17 May 2024 02:45:12 +0000
> > > > > Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli at arm.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>> + * A counter is 64 bit value that is safe from split read/write
> > > > >>> + * on 32 bit platforms. It assumes that only one cpu at a time
> > > > >> If we are defining the counter in this manner, then
> > implementation cannot
> > > > be generic. I think architectures will have constraints if they have
> > to ensure
> > > > the 64b variables are not split.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think we at least need the counter to be aligned on 8B boundary
> > to have
> > > > generic code.
> > > > >
> > > > > The C standard has always guaranteed that read and write to
> > unsigned log
> > > > will not be split.
> > > > As I understand, this is true only if the variable is an atomic
> > variable. If
> > > > not, there is no difference between atomic variables and non-atomic
> > variables.
> > > >
> > > > > Therefore if arch is 64 bit native there is no need for atomics
> > > > At least on ARM architecture, if the variable is not aligned on 8B
> > boundary,
> > > > the load or store are not atomic. I am sure it is the same on other
> > > > architectures.
> >
> > After reading this: Who's afraid of a big bad optimizing compiler?
> > https://lwn.net/Articles/793253/
>
> Very interesting article!
>
> >
> > Looks like you are right, and atomic or read/write once is required.
>
> I don't like the performance tradeoff (for 64 bit architectures) in the v7 patch.
> For single-tread updated counters, we MUST have a high performance counter_add(), not using atomic read-modify-write.
The fundamental issue is that for SW drivers, having a totally safe reset function requires
an atomic operation in the fast path for increment. Otherwise the following (highly unlikely) race
is possible:
CPU A CPU B
load counter (value = X)
store counter = 0
store counter (value = X + 1)
>
> IMO calling counter_fetch() MUST be possible from another thread.
> This requires that the fast path thread stores the counter atomically (or using volatile), to ensure that the counter is not only kept in a CPU register, but stored in memory visible by other threads.
>
> For counter_reset(), we have multiple options:
> 0. Don't support counter resetting. Not really on option?
We could reject it in the SW drivers. But better not to.
> 1. Only allow calling counter_reset() in the fast path thread updating the counter. This introduces no further requirements.
Not a good restriction
> 2. Allow calling counter_reset() from another thread, thereby zeroing the "counter" variable. This introduces a requirement for the "counter" to be thread-safe, so counter_add() must atomically read-modify-write the counter, which has a performance cost.
> 3. Allow calling counter_reset() from another thread, and introduce an "offset" variable for counter_fetch() and counter_reset() to provide thread-safe fetch/reset from other threads, using the consume-release pattern.
Too confusing
>
> I don't like option 2.
> I consider counters too important and frequently used in the fast path, to compromise on performance for counters.
Agree.
>
> For counters updated by multiple fast path threads, atomic_fetch_add_explicit() of the "counter" variable seems unavoidable.
Not at all worried about overhead in slow (fetch) path.
>
> > Perhaps introducing rte_read_once and rte_write_once is good idea?
> > Several drivers are implementing it already.
>
> The read_once/write_once are easier to use, but they lack the flexibility (regarding barriers and locking) provided by their atomic_explicit alternatives, which will impact performance in some use cases.
They solve the compiler reordering problem but do nothing about cpu ordering.
Also, there is no such increment.
>
> We should strive for the highest possible performance, which means that we shouldn't introduce functions or design patterns preventing this.
> Please note: Security vs. performance is another matter - we certainly don't want to promote insecure code for the benefit of performance. But for "ease of coding" vs. performance, I prefer performance.
>
> That said, I agree that introducing rte_read/write_once functions for use by drivers to access hardware makes sense, to eliminate copy-paste variants in drivers.
> But how can we prevent such functions from being used for other purposes, where atomic_explicit should be used?
>
Looking at x86 result on godbolt shows that using atomic only adds a single locked operation.
Perhaps this can be ameliorated by doing bulk add at end of loop, like many drivers were already.
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